Pinto, of Adullam films, has published a 10-part documentary about this Codex Sinaiticus is a priceless treasure. . The videos were done by David Daniels of Chick Publications. His phantasamogorical saved-from-burn-basket claim was a very successful lie, it was not a misunderstanding. And I think he may be slower to use the word today.There are other times that what is involved is, as Maurice Robinson says, is "plain and clear factual error". But first, it should be pointed Debate Audio – James White vs. Chris Pinto: Is Codex Sinaiticus a Modern Forgery? Oh, and not a word missing from the New Testament! Be the first one to write a review. translations. of his visit, in 1859, he decided to be a nice guy. "withdrawn his error" - withdraw==========Steven AveryAsheville, NC, James, You never cease to amaze me! controversy from the correspondence of Tischendorf and others and from The Codex Sinaiticus Project is an international collaboration to reunite the entire manuscript in digital form and make it accessible to a global audience for the first time. THEY HAVE STRIPPED ME+ of MY+ Garments -- A Messaged to SECULAR ISRAEL, JOHN 6:4 ~ DID The LORD JESUS MISS "the" PASSOVER in Jerusalem, that PASSOVER which was recorded in John 6:4 ", JOHN 1:18 --- The Outrageous Treatment of The "Only-BEGOTTEN" SON+. is grabbing my trash can, and he’s all excited about the trash in my trash can, Let us remove these boulders from the field The review demonstrates that Dr Cooper’s thesis that Codex Sinaiticus was produced in the nineteenth century is a classic conspiracy theory, and without foundation. (Note that Uspensky saw an intact codex in 1845, although of course without those quires that Tischendorf had stolen in 1844. Afaik that is the only place Alexandrinus is mentioned. APOSTATE Eugene Nida: Where Are Bible Translations Heading . It was discovered in the 19th century, surpassing Vaticanus as the most complete manuscript. You continue with the account of the forger, I am on the edge of my seat! Copied around the middle of the fourth century, in the south-eastern Mediterranean, it is the earliest extant manuscript to contain the complete New Testament and the oldest and best witness for some of the books of the ancient Greek version of the Old Testament, the Septuagint. told about his book, now renamed Codex Sinaiticus, whilst he himself was being denounced as a hopeless fraud. Hi James, The James White "any scholar" section is well done.============It is ironic that you can disassemble the fabrications of 1844 (to a degree, he actually stole the 43 leaves from an intact volume), recognizing the Tischendorf conspiracy theory, yet still accept Tischendorf fabrications about the later visits in the 1850s. modern critical theory, Codex Sinaiticus is a complete fraud and a creation of the 19th century. And he had published a version of the . 1859, Tischendorf again visited Saint Catherine’s monastery, hoping to find the He discovered the first part in 1844 and the second part in 1859. thing out, and he unwraps the red cloth, and there von Tischendorf is staring There was a debate last year beween Dr. James R. White and Mr. Chris Pinto on Dec 11, 2013 care of PIRATECHRISTIANRADIO.COM.This is one of 2013's most taked about live radio debates in the Reformed Cirlce in the US of A entitled "IS CODEX SINAITICUS A Jesuit Forgery?" Copies, studio replicas, and reproductions are not considered forgeries, though they may later become forgeries through knowing and willful misrepresentations. Little is known of the manuscript's early history. . Codex Sinaiticus is a software which encapsulates the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament. codex-sinaiticus-legitimate-or-forgery-the-suspects Identifier-ark ark:/13960/t25b9p457 Scanner Internet Archive HTML5 Uploader 1.6.4. plus-circle Add Review. But . The problem above is that you were quoting Tischendorf, instead of doing your own checking. See Dr Bill Cooper PhD, ThD, “The Forging of the Codex Sinaiticus” and “New Testament Fragments. It was all one big fabricated story. Note that it just incidentally has to do with Sinaiticus.And I heartily applaud the review by James Snapp above. The same would apply to issues regarding methodological or theological presuppositions that may have influenced one's particular manner or form of presentation. According to Kenyon sort of hero, rescuing the manuscript in the nick of time. Even before the Claromontanus-->Sinaiticus homoeoteleutons. it was published in Smyrna. Codex Sinaiticus is considered by most textual scholars of the New Testament to be the best complete manuscript. In Bridge for sale. Its impact when it surfaced in the mid 19th century was immediate, and even today is powerfully felt in the world of Bible scholarship. With that out of the way, I decided to take another look at a couple of things, and I noticed what some might consider to be new evidence in the question of whether or not the manuscript is a modern fake. Afaik, no printing press at Mt. And, incidentally, these white parchment leafs had on them written, or were used for, the critical colophons. Does NESTLE-ALAND 28th Edition of the Greek New Testament WEIGH the Evidence FAIRLY . Codex Sinaiticus. Codex Sinaiticus Addeddate 2019-07-22 16:57:52 Identifier codexsinaiticus_201907 Identifier-ark ark:/13960/t5q893h38 Ocr ABBYY FineReader 11.0 (Extended OCR) Ppi 360 Scanner Internet Archive HTML5 Uploader 1.6.4. plus-circle Add Review. . WHAT are the REAL , WORKING, FUNCTIONAL CRITERIA WHICH GUIDED   Kurt Aland  and the NESTLE-ALAND EDITIONS AND EDITORS ? What a greater distress to CHOOSE to be blind ... spiritually ! you. The evidence supports this assertion, although, to be fair, it is remotely possible that the goal was deception. Sister Judith Hannah, Order of the GOOD SHEPHERD+. for the many good reasons that we have unearthed during our years of research. manuscript / language scholar, Greek by birth, by the name of Dr. . We ca... GREEK MS 472 with John 6:4   And the Passover, the feast of the Jews was nigh. Sinaiticus is an Alexandrian text … And from his own blunder White has attacked the honesty and integrity of David Hunt (now passed away,thus the needed apology would be very late), Douglass Stauffer and Jack Moorman and likely others. And the mountain of "coincidences".So in a very difficult sense, you could say that Tischendorf morphed the replica into a forgery. "No; it does not -- but if clarification is needed, I affirm that Codex Sinaiticus is neither a forgery nor a replica from the 1800's. today, or at least one of them. look at it more closely. enters the picture. Because of just two "early" Codices, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, scholars have removed --- or marked as doubtful or spurious --- the last 12 verses of Mark 16. ignoring Hence, we meticulously research the background of the changes being published in the many modern versions of the New Testament. James, your"correction" of "172 pages" to "43 sheets" is still the same error. [ The "Von" in his name was awarded to him by the Russian Czar, at that time. And a good number of the points raised, looked at carefully, actually end up favoring non-authenticity.============================See also the new book, and ebook, just released:Is the 'World's Oldest Bible' A Fake?David W. Daniels, James Snapp will grace us with a review :). When Codex Sinaiticus came out in the 1800s, Constantine Simonides, a well-known forger, claimed to have forged Codex Sinaiticus himself-- On 13 September 1862, in an article of The Guardian, he [Constantine Simonides] claimed that he is the real author of the Codex Sinaiticus and that he wrote it … Even before the Before and After colouring. Sinai during a 15-year period , 1844 - 1859, by Constantine Von RF, In May of 1844, the textual critic Constantine Tischendorf visited Saint Catherine’s Monastery on, That, at least, is the way Tischendorf tells the tale, in a . comment. We know from Uspensky that the ms was whole. many times D. A. Waite or Dave Hunt or anybody else says that it was. Tischendorf's [Find out more about the Codex Sinaiticus Project.] granted, and once he was alone with the manuscript, “though my lamp was dim and February 7 of 1859, “the steward of the convent” showed Tischendorf “a bulky GENEALOGY of JESUS CHRIST in Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 ARE RECONCILED through GRAMMAR ! Just to be clear, no. Next only to the King James Bible, Codex Sinaiticus is by now perhaps the most famous (many would say infamous) book in the world. To disguise a theft of leaves taken out of the full manuscript and to gain sympathy for his larger 1859 heist. SINAITICUS and Codex VATICANUS have been used to undermine the And James White and his AOMIN staff have simply censored and ignored the many attempts to request a simple correction, whether made in private or public. Steven, I see what you mean. Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament. And Timothy Joseph, first I want to acknowledge that there are times that James Snapp uses the "liar" description too easily. Only 300 years away from the original manuscripts of the New Testament, it is highly important and considered … fragments which, fifteen years before, I had taken out of the basket, but also It is the only uncialmanuscript with the complete text of the New Testament, and the only ancient manuscript of the New Testament written in four columns per page which has survived to the present day. At this point it has become a remarkable and exceptional case of dishonesty and railing accusation and strikes at the heart of real discourse. Yep, mistranslation is often the source, e.g. WYCLIFFE and NIDA: NO MORE LITERAL TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE FOR THE COMMON FOLK ! Codex Sinaiticus, the earliest known manuscript of the Christian Bible, compiled in the 4th century ce. And, when the full Tischendorf story was unraveled, even have suffered from heavy use century after century. other parts of the Old Testament, the New Testament complete, and, in addition, Coincidences abound. twisted version of events not only made it through the initial editing of, “So, they have someone from the outside world there Steven Avery, The Holy Spirit is said to reveal all truth The scriptures it is said by the Lord have been preserved for all generations.Thus we can know that with this truth and the Holy Spirit we can rest assured as we read scripture which is truth and that which is not, With all due respect: When are people going to realize ad hominem is not a valid way of refuting the accusations of whether Sinaiticus is a forgery? And if you doubt that Tischendorf would do such a thing, read about the Archimedes Palimpsest, along with other manglings and thefts. Discussions from either side need to avoid ad hominem comments that attack the person rather than his or her methodology, presuppositions, or statements of plain and clear factual error. Yet, I struggle with reading your blog because I know that somehow you will randomly attack the Alexandrian text or its supporters in almost every article, regardless of the content.Tim. The Chris Pinto vs. James White debate on whether Codex Sinaiticus is a modern forgery can be boiled down... 1 like Read more. 1853, and found no more intact pages of the manuscript – only a fragment from "discovery" was directly challenged at that very time by  a well-known Codex Sinaiticus was discovered in St. Catherine's Monastery in the Constantine Simonides, who claimed he wrote this Codex for the Czar of Along with Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most valuable manuscripts for establishing the original text -see textual criticism - of the Greek New Testament, as well as the Septuagint. A better question, less charged, would be whether Sinaiticus is an authentic antiquity (c. 350 AD.) His request was out that some well-distributed versions of the history of how Tischendorf None whatsoever. The GENEALOGY of JESUS CHRIST in Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 ARE RECONCILED through GRAMMAR . Early "manuscripts" do not equal early "texts". Or he might have misunderstood what he had Codex The movie did not present any evidence that modern Bibles help Catholic theology in any meaningful way or undermine inerrancy… There are 86 pages. A critical review of Dr W.R. Cooper’s thesis in his book ‘The Forging of Codex Sinaiticus‘. Ten More Reasons Sinaiticus Was Not Made by Simonides, Ten Reasons Why Sinaiticus Was Not Made By Simonides, Sinaiticus Is Not a Forgery - Setting the Stage. room, and in what we would call a closet, he reaches up, and he pulls something Sinaiticus Old Bible: Codex Sinaiticus is an ancient, handwritten copy of the Greek Bible dated to 330-360 AD. He included According to Tischendorf’s account, on realizes, ‘That’s a page from the Septuagint.’  amongst them; that makes them a little bit nervous, and so there’s this monk, WHERE DID MICHAEL ROOD FIND THAT GREEK MS 472 which he transcribed with ERRORS ? So he had an extra copy with him. James Snapp, Jr. Let's make one more point clear from this first post by James. These Codices have been used to re-write the Greek Text of the New Testament, starting with Westcott and Hort in 1880's. PICTURE OF ALL THE PAGES OF THE Codex SINAITICUS, CHRIS PINTO's Tares Among the Wheat video. Through two editions of his book. CODEX SINAITICUS AUTHENTICITY RESEARCH . By that year, of course, Codex Sinaiticus had already wreaked its havoc, and the intended damage to Bible scholarship - as well as the Bible's reputation and Authority! The boomerang attack.Understand this statement used as part of a sustained and pubilc attack on the integrity and honesty of others:> James White. YES ! Robinson countered this argument, suggesting that this system of chapter divisions was introduced into the Vulgate by Jerome himself, as a result of his studies at Caesarea. ==========="according to Simonides, is how its pages turned up there in a basket in 1844" - the basket story was a total fabrication. Forgery in the Gospels “Any “scholar” who can’t even get this story straight is not really worth reading, to be honest.When in fact, James White has not got this story straight for over 30+ years! Timothy Joseph, The correction of White's pretzelated version of events is relevant, because I intend to refer later to the portion of Codex Sinaiticus acquired by Tischendorf in 1844, and to the portion he acquired later; to those readers who believe (thanks to White) that Tischendorf only saw some "scraps" in the basket, that won't make any sense, unless they are freed of the burden of White's misinformation. Topics Codex Sinaiticus Collection opensource. PAGES of the Codex SINAITICUS. James gets credit for at least making an effort to look at some of the early debate and to share various points that have been given in the effort to shore up the Tischendorf 4th century and authenticity claims.============================Thanks! Stanley Porter also, in his also needs correction:Sinaiticus and Simonides, if you can only move a bit out of the textual criticism mentality to really look at the fullness of historical and material evidences, then you can consider more real issues, rather than emphasizing pseudo-issues. at Codex Sinaiticus.”, a comment that he wrote in a letter in 1844, Tischendorf’s account of how this happened contradicts the claims of the monastery’s monks, A note to this effect, with Tischendorf’s signature, is still extant at the monastery. Reviews There are no reviews yet. What follows in this present study is an examination of the tampering and forgery of the codex of which Simonides so Nor does "early manuscript" equal PUREST or BEST Greek Text of the New Testament. There should not be any ambiguity about the 1844 heist of 43 leaves to Leipzig. I'll try to correct the error; Tischendorf's comment was probably mistranslated and was meant to refer to leaves rather than sheets. he strategically asked in a casual way if he could borrow the manuscript to Errata above: James has it as 172,not 176. stuff that they don’t need anymore, and von Tischendorf looks in there and With the very last of the 43 leaves being the Esther colophon. The "trashcan story" is irrelevent to the evidence that has been put forth by individuals such as Bill Cooper certainly raise suspicion that the document was "doctored". =========="the contents of a printed copy of the text of Codex Alexandrinus..." - this was written by William Kelly in 1870 in the Bible Treasury article. Chris Is the Codex SINAITICUS a Forgery ? donated it to a retired church-leader, Constantius, whose home was So it definitely has a bearing.Yours in Christ,James Snapp, Jr. Steven Avery, I appreciate your sharp eye for typo's; thanks.SA: "The title of the post has a major error. "A replica is not a forgery.When Simonides published the first Greek Barnabas edition in 1843 (when you hear that Sinaiticus was the first Greek Barnabas, a chuckle is appropriate.) It was a replica designed as a gift to the czar, in hope or expectation of receiving a printing press, in view of the cache of unpublished mss at Mt. THE CODEX SINAITICUS T. S. PATTIE THE Codex Sinaiticus of the Greek Bible, even though it has lost over 300 leaves, is still the earliest complete New Testament, and is the earliest and best witness for some of the books of the Old Testament. This page walks the reader through a series of, Images used on this page have been obtained from the Codex Sinaiticus Project at. The evidence is super-clear. Then for whatever reason, I would guess, a personal dislike for James White and your opposition to anyone who favors an Alexandrian text, you launch an attack on White and others, that has no bearing on the forgery issue at all.I often find your knowledge on textual criticism and especially the versions and early fathers enlightening! The codex Sinaiticus looks very suspicious, as a sumptuous manuscript looking a lot newer than the more authentically aged Vaticanus. A blog by James Snapp, Jr. about New Testament textual criticism, especially involving variants in the Gospels. In a fascinating manner you describe how the manuscript was found, both from Tischendorf's account and from the monks perspective. those pages, he had not revealed where they had been acquired.) Bottom line: Every element of the story of Tischendorf accidentally finding 43 leaves should be discarded. In the review I made passing reference to Parker’s discussion of allegations made in the nineteenth century that this codex is a forgery, created by a man named Constantine Simonides (1820-1890). In a letter that was Discovered in 1850 by Constantin von Tischendorf, a German evolutionist theologian, at St. Catherine's Monastery at Mount Sinai. Readers can see my response to the three James Snapp Sinaiticus authenticity blog posts here:PureBibleForumJames Snapp attempts to defend authenticity of SinaiticuJames Snapp #1 - Setting the Stage posts.While this is still a WIP, most all the points are easily handled. All research into the Ancient Manuscripts information and languages ( Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Aramaic / Syriac , and Coptic ), the Versions, and the Ante-Nicene Fathers ( Early Christian apologists) is the sole responsibility of. Nor does "early manuscript" equal PUREST or BEST Greek Text of the New Testament. These Codices are supposedly early, from the 4th,  4th,  and 5th Century AD, respectively. Publications: We are not affiliated with High Church nor Low Church organizations and denominations. published in, Simonides claimed that after finishing this large project, he It’s not a 19th-century fake. A letter appeared in the "Guardian" claiming that the Sinaiticus find was forged by himself, Simonides in … Here are more reasons why:In 1844, Tischendorf wrote to his wife only that the leaves had come into his possession (a type of thieve's description). And, supposedly the earliest manuscripts which we have. Refute these accusations and in fact sincerely investigate these charges we due diligence and perhaps then we can have a real "conversation" regarding the rumors circulating that it is a forgery. Thannks! - was now done, so any objections to its many signs of forgery would come far too late anyway. And three more folia. There is growing forensic evidence that the Codex Sinaiticus is a 19th century forgery, sponsored by the Catholic Church, in order to undermine the Protestant Bible. REMOVING the book ... Now at the outset ,  let it be known that we all HONOR those Christians who deny themselves and embrace the hardships, loneliness, a... Alexandrian Changes to John 3:13 Are Followed  by the Modern Versions. The Codex Sinaiticus was discovered in St. Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai during a 15-year period , 1844 - 1859, by Constantine Von Tischendorf, a German Bible scholar. Conspiracy theory. in 1 JOHN 4:3 ? 11 Views . Norman Geisler, and the others who have recommended White’s book, that this decided to be nice to his steward, who had been taking care of him, and he encountered Codex Sinaiticus are far from accurate. There’s no discernable pay off for the conspirators . DID THE LORD JESUS MISS THE PASSOVER RECORDED IN JOHN 6:4 ? The colophons were needed for the aggressive early dating push. Anybody wishing to read the results of the tests should refer to the book written by the researchers who did the analysis: the Keepers of the Department of Manuscripts at the British Museum (Scribes and Correctors of the Codex Sinaiticus, H. J. M. Milne and T. C. Skeat, British Museum, London, 1938). In 1844, 43 leaves of a 4th-century biblical codex (a collection of single pages bound together along one side) were discovered at St. Catherine’s Monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai (hence the He challenged Tischendorf OPENLY about the authenticity of Codex down that is wrapped in a red cloth. unrolled the cover, and discovered, to my great surprise, not only those very )More details are explained here:Quires - Sheets - Folia - Pages (recto and versa) Steven AveryDutchess County, NY. and he’s just, you know, carrying a basket with him with some old scraps of He tested out the 43 leaves of 1844 and saw that pristine white parchment, supple and easy turning like a Life magazine, in "phenomenally good condition" (Helen Shenton of the British Library) could be pawned off to a gullible textual establishment as a manuscript that was 1500 years. in their closets. manuscript.Ok, looking forward to the next installment.Steven AverySteven. And the monk looked at it, and said, ‘Oh, I White continues, moving on to describe the 1859 visit: “On the final night are throwing away their books in a small dumpster. been told, and misunderstood why the pages were in the basket – like someone recognized that its pages included some of the pages that he had seen, but not Tischendorf might have lied so as to depict himself as a For, early "manuscripts" do not equal early "texts" of the Bible, especially the New Testament. "Forgery is the process of making, adapting, or imitating objects, statistics, or documents with the intent to deceive for the sake of altering the public perception, or to earn profit by selling the forged item. Larry Hurtado called him out on using the liar tab on his blog a year ago, and I agree with Hurtado, and have shared my concern over too easy "liar" usage with James Snapp. For what might be perceived as repeated, avoidable and flagrant errors, a type of reckless disregard for the textual truth. Amazing. And he JOHN 3:13 ~ WHO+ is in Heaven ~ Still Stands ! Without a hint of baskets or saving from fire or even any involvement of the monks. Simonides never claimed this manuscript was a "forgery". kind of volume wrapped up in a red cloth,” and when it was opened, Tischendorf Side by side, Sinaiticus looks hundreds of years newer. The … They don’t keep garbage wrapped in red cloths And I don't believe James Snapp has any special animus involving James Whites. The Sinaiticus Manuscript was allegedly a copy of a gnostic text made by Constantin Simonides in the 1830s, written on antique vellum as a gift to the Russian Tsar.Simonides wrote to the Guardian newspaper a number of times claiming authorship of the work.The translators of the 1881 Revised Standard Version which was based on the forgery were predictably unimpressed, and Simonides' … special chapter of his little book. 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