Both the ESV and the NKJV are good; the ESV is also high prose, but it is clearer to the modern reader. - espinaCor Simply Shopping, Four New ESV Editions, Or, How Does Crossway Do It? Personally I use the RSV - especially for the New Testament, New English Translation of the Septuagint ... ESV is good. NIV – The goal of the translators was to balance out between readability and word for word content.. ESV – The translators attempted to produce a very literal translation of the text. I’d much prefer using a “stable” Bible like the NASB, NKJV or even the NIV. And wow—you put me to shame. 5 A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes … a) The desire to have a “stable” Bible is fully rational and defensible. There was a value in English-speaking Christendom’s long-standing agreement to use the KJV. Good thoughts, and I used to talk just like you do about the NIV. Very comfortable to read. Since you provided a link to the ESV website, not including a link to the Lockman (NASB) web site hardly seems appropriate — especially because you “featured” a screen shot. That was a really interesting read about the cons of the italics, as I honestly couldn’t think of any. The ESV has been a superb translation for me in my memorization of the NT epistles, as was the case for your friend that you describe in Chapter 6 Argument 7. The NASB. I have read in about two books now about investing in the NASB. After several months, I haven’t looked back. The current English Standard Version will surely outlive the current NIV 2011. 1. I know of nothing similar in the NASB. I couldn’t read a menu in Athens. I was at the G3 conference and the tables for the ESV was huge compared to the NASB with only had one table. 10 For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. Right at the turn of the millennium, our church got a new pastoral team, and they quickly embraced the ESV as the standard Bible version for our church. For a wooden sounding translation, you would have to revert back to the ASV (a translation I find much more literal than either the NASB, or ESV). Amen. there is no nasb version which includes these other books which … The English Bible, as the KJV translators said, *is* God’s word. As for 2 Sam 21:19, that’s a good example of the usefulness of italics. In the mid-twentieth century the idea of a dynamic equivalent was introduced. I don’t think any royalties go to the NCC. I read one sometimes and the other sometimes. The English Standard Version was published two years ago and is far more literal than the NIV and far more readable than the NASB. Use both. From the Preface of the NAS:“Modern English Usage: The attempt has been made to render the grammar and terminology in contemporary English. The reality is, we have many great translations available. Currently, the best site to discover the available editions and purchase sources is The Lockman Foundation’s site for NASB … Literal and readable. I tend to prefer (for reasons I’ve given above) the ESV. Makes me think about the text itself more directly. Allan, and it’s absolutely beautiful, so the expense of that sort of forces me to stick with ESV. ESV. Clearly not: these are faithful men who hold precisely the same view of NT textual criticism that is held by John MacArthur. But so does reading something like the NASB which forces you to rethink what you may have glossed over or assumed growing up. Whether you think the translators should do some interpreting for the readers, or have “build-in apologetics” isn’t the issue, but what is the issue is that if they are going to do stuff like that, then it’s nice to know that it’s their writings, not the text they’re translating from. Karen. PhD in NT; theological writer for Faithlife; former high school Bible textbook author for BJU Press; husband; father; ultimate frisbee player; member of the body of Christ. Like Like I do agree that the ESV is imperfect. I could also point to other verses I use often that I have committed to memory that have been … Also, italics can show the translators’ bias, or their interpretation of a text. A few points from Hebrews will serve to illustrate why Jesus’ sacrifice is better than the Levitical sacrifices. There is no one translation that will ever be universally accepted as the perfect translation. The TNIV has corrected most of the mistranslations of the NIV. I learn form them all. I claim that the charge of it sounding or reading "wooden" to be ridiculous. The ESV is a light revision of the older RSV released in 1952/1971. But I think I’d rather that be dealt with in a footnote. For … Thus they may never understand of connect ideas that God’s Word (Hebrew / Greek) is there, wanting a reader to see. But resent the fact that ESV Gospels of John that I distribute along with NIVs insist on printing the controversy ‘s of John 7-8 in these evangelistic booklets that have an excellent presentation of the “Bridge”. And honestly, I find that the “wooden” claims about the NASB are highly exaggerated. The ESV is in no sense a continuation of the same approach to Scripture as was held by the translators of the KJV. I’ve been a Christian since 1970. And in that view, those verses are not being “deleted”; to say so is to prejudice the discussion, to assume that they couldn’t have been “added” at some point(s) in history. It is more accurate than the NIV but not as rigid as the NASB. Because they are similar in the most important respects, I felt free to make my choice based on more pragmatic considerations: The ESV Single-Column Heritage Bible is beautifully designed and executed. These are people who have dedicated their lives to serving the church. 10 For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. Some are using the ESV Study Bible, which I recommended to our church a couple of years ago as the best study Bible available today. I've been studying how … You violated all the internet rules of discourse: you listened, responded in good faith with something substantive and thoughtful, then listened again and stayed gracious after I 66% questioned (and 33% affirmed!) So I guess given that attitude: 1) Why not more literal translations (like the concordant)? The ESV is very close to the New American Standard Bible (NASB) in accuracy, and it flows better than the NASB. Thanks again for your wise and sensitive post. I respect the NASB team for having one revision (which was greatly helpful). But keep in mind that most of the Bible was written in hindsight. A couple thoughts… If you don’t know Greek (and I’m not assuming you don’t know Greek, but let’s imagine), how do you know when the “He” is supplied because Greek demands or strongly implies it and when “He” is supplied because the translators are trying to be helpfully interpretive? The ESV and the NASB are very similar translations. Super late to the conversation. However, the things that we discuss in the ESV will generally be true of any word-for-word translation. Bibles like The Message and The Living Bible are much more on the dynamic equivalent side of the scale. Then, I spent some time on the mission field and ran across a fellow American in the church I was working with who carried an NIV. And sad. Thank you for taking the time to give me new insights. Post Oct 12, 2008 #7 2008-10-12T21:48. We do not share your personal details with anyone. The ESV was much more thoroughly debated and uses a little better underlying New Testament Greek text. The ESV handles difficult textual decisions slightly better than the NASB, and the real paragraph format may also make it more attractive to some people. In my 30s I switched to the NIV when the Study Bible came out. Hi, Mark. What are the differences between ESV and NAS? Ecclesiastes 4:9-13 English Standard Version (ESV). I evaluated them based on accuracy, mainly. F4Phantom. Both are more apt (there are plenty of exceptions, as Dave Brunn has shown) to leave historical distance in the text than the NIV—like calling people “fat” instead of “healthy” in Psalm 73:4. If I memorized a passage and the wording was later changed, what harm does that do to me? I have an article about this coming out soon on the Evangelical Textual Criticism blog. Right now I have four Bibles in front of me; NKJV, ESV, NASB and KJV; all have merit; all are God's word; all have brought persons to faith and salvation. Some think, but not all, that some of the Old Testament passages are a little “wooden”, so literally “word for word”, that they are hard to read. Many scholars and students, but certainly not all, think the ESV is smoother and easier to read. I am making the switch to the ESV because I think it is a better translation than the NIV. I’m glad I’v finally made up my mind on what type of Bible to get now. I have always heard the NASB is the most literal (I have not studied Greek myself) but in my studies with my electronic Greek resources (LOGOS) I have found the ESV is right there with the NASB. Otherwise, what you say is pretty much true! 2) Why not a Greek/Hebrew only policy? No translation is used all the time. And now that I’m becoming familiar with the ESV, I find that even more poetic – as you said, kind of a modern version if the KJV. But my preferred Bible format is only available in the NIV(2011) and TNIV—so right now I’m reading through the NIV. BUT, it does have inaccuracies, infelicitous expressions and antiquqted syntax. Thanks…. 1. (2001) For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. Of the above I find that the NASB is best for Bible Study, and that the ESV is better for reading through the … Source(s): I can’t show italics on here, but the “He” is italicized which means the translators added this to the NASB text. The font is 9 and the comments are a 7. There were many Levitical priests because they kept dying and had … It is known for its “thought for thought” or “dynamic equivalence” translation rather than a “word for word.” ESV – Of these two, this version is the closest to the original text of the Hebrew Bible. The ESV is popular, among other reasons, because it is translated in a “current literary English.” Or, to put it another way, the ESV is understandable and sounds like current English literature. By the way, I grew up on the KJV and still find myself quoting it more than any other translation. Definitely. Both the RSV and NRSV are better. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. That is indeed useful. It’s a shame that it’s marketed as new. It is my understanding that Crossway paid a lump sum to the NCC. As all translations of enduring and heavily-used translations, it needs CONSTANT LIGHT REVISION..possibly by interim amendment reports and (say) five-to-ten-years republication. He has done something like that.My book is better than D.A. The NASB has always been popular with serious Bible students because the translators tried to “render the grammar and terminology” of the original languages into English. In the end, they came out neck and neck. The NASB is known for being one of the more literal or word-for-word translations—and it’s also known for being one of the more challenging to read. When the ESV first came out in 2001 I started an Excel spreadsheet to record passages where I believed one to be superior to the other. I just looked at that file again, and I’m not sure I’d make all the same choices, but reading the two translations over the years has led me to the same conclusion. (1995). 3. Both of these versions clearly and accurately represent the Word of God. You will receive a link to create a new password via email. As a version along the same line, the ESV is a better choice than the NASB. Anyone with a PC, a Bible Program, and WordPerfect can easily (in less than 30 minutes) duplicate the following tests. I don’t know you at all, but I’m guessing from our brief interaction that James 3:17 may describe you: “But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.” (James 3:17 ESV). Hmmmmm. I am presently doing the same for our current series in 1 Corinthians. I don’t think the future lies with any one translation, however. If their quality as translations is more or less equal, on what basis do I choose? It is more accurate than the NIV but not as rigid as the NASB. “Briefly stated, the theory of dynamic equivalence in Bible translation emphasizes the reaction of the reader to the translated text, rather than the translation of the words and phrases themselves.”Leland Ryken, The Word of God In English. From the preface of the ESV:“The ESV is an “essentially literal” translation that seeks as far as possible to capture the precise wording of the original text and the personal style of each Bible writer. I’m required in some forums of ministry to use the KJV, which I would prefer not to use because of its antiquated language. I later went to the NKJV as I understood it better. From charts that I have seen, it occupies a place of middle ground between those two translations. For some better tangibles on translation, I recommend this Lutheran's Pastor and Seminary President's blog. “fidelity” = esv 68.74% nasb 67.99% kjv 66.58% nkjv 65.21% csb 64.75% nrsv 60.51% net 53.94% niv 53.10% nlt 39.90% Those versions that ranked highest in “Readability” are more thought-for-thought translations, while those versions that ranked highest in … 12 And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand … Mark Ward is an Academic Editor at Lexham Press, a division of Faithlife, makers of Logos Bible Software. I love the ESV. Just wondering if there is any difference between this version of the NASB and the previous printed version of the NASB study bibles? I like the relative stability of the NASB. In other words the translator’s aim was to be as literal as possible and still be readable. The NRSV has moved towards a dynamic equivalence philosophy. Of the seven, only the KJV and the NKJV are translating what is often called the Majority Text (MT) of the NT. 4. comparing Bible translations knowledgeably requires several demanding skills, the list of people involved in the production of the ESV, How is the English Standard Version - ESV? This method is often referred to as a literal or word for word translation. Message. 3 The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the Lord. 9 Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their toil. You are like Vern Poythress. It is a literal translation of the Hebrew text. The ESV is more consistent than the ESV. Every blessing! Having gotten back into religion a few years back, after many years of being pretty blasé about it (thank God for bringing a woman into my life who makes me feel both very blessed & loved), I have spent time with the NIV & NET, before recently deciding to look closely at the ESV & NASB. I have both a NASBU and ESV right here with me and struggle to decide on which to make my primary. The goal is to translate the idea or thought in the original language to a corresponding thought in English. =) No, seriously: he tackles textual criticism and I quite purposely avoid it. Until the twentieth century the philosophy of Bible translation was to translate the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words of the Bible into the closest possible equivalent in English. Then, until about the first decade of this century, I alternated between NIV and the Scofield King James, since Scofield helpfully updates the most archaic words in the KJV. 11 Again, if two lie together, they keep warm, but how can one keep warm alone? The church I went to HATED the NIV and called it a false bible and only the KJV was Of God. I also know many or most of the scholars who produced the ESV; I have their exegetical commentaries, and that work gives me confidence about their translation work. So yes, the continual updates of the ESV does make me a little weary of making it a memory-verse Bible. The 2016 translation is stronger, in my opinion. I get it. This is commonly referred to as a thought for thought translation or a paraphrase. He has done something like that. While it isn’t necessary, it is something I prefer. Click to expand... Well said. But I’ve come to see things a little differently. I like the way it reads. 3. You may be surprised actually. NASB. Drives me crazy! Hi Karen, there hasn’t been any change to the NAS translation since 1995. Updates and revisions are helpful ways of reminding regular churchgoers that “the Bible” is, ultimately speaking, in Greek and Hebrew. The NKJV is a good translation of its text sources, but I find other texts more reliable. The word “destined” would be better than “definite.” “Predestined” may cause readers to presume the doctrine of double predestination. The NRSV is quite good as well. I have a KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV, ESV(two editions including the most recent 2017 revision). (Short trip, I know). My primary Bible is the ESV, though I regularly compare passages in it with the NASB & KJV. I just finished reading the Kindle edition of your “Authorized” book. I will pray for you right now to have wisdom. For example, “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:28, NASB). But, I have been thinking about just choose one and stick with it. For the sake of ease in your own church, you may want to go with the NASB. If you do not have an ESV Bible, I encourage you to get one and give it a try. That means it’s closer to what I … Nathan Stitt says: March 8, 2008 at 9:54 am. Using the ESV primarily just works for me. Problems with the CSB Now don’t get me wrong, the 2016 ESV and the previous editions have the same meaning. However, the things that we discuss in the ESV will generally be true of any word-for-word translation. Where as the Lockman Foundation have been very restrictive with their copyright of the NASB and have a lot less diverse … 19 Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool. True! But for teaching and study, I want to know all the options available to me. Remeber one thing, “Opinions Vary” Who’s going to publish it? The NASB is the first version Bible I ever had as a young Christian. Interestingly enough, several years ago I was much more KJVO in my thinking. But once you open it and begin to study it there is nothing more powerful in the whole world. (Question of genuine curiosity—I’ve been wanting to hear: can you give me an example of a time when italics helped you understand the text of Scripture better?). It comes across as more smooth of a read since it is not literally word for word. That means it’s closer to what I grew up reading and memorizing, and that has a value. John 17:4 “I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave … For one thing, the ESV is the most popular version among conservative evangelicals. Now, you said there were cons to italicizing words that are added to the translation. You gave some great responses. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord. by Daniel Stanfield Both the NASB and the NIV Bibles use the same critical texts, both are primarily American works by many scholars over many years, and both are relatively recent publications. Both of these versions clearly and accurately represent the Word of God. Another is that some readers will see emphasis, which is what italics usually mean. Some are fact based, and some are preference based: NASB (New American Standard Bible) Lockman Foundation… If it leads you to pick it up and read God’s Word it has done its job and it is deserving to keep. Rumour has it that, along with the revised NASB, Lockman is going to deliver a much improved marketing and distribution system – I hope so! However, the title is a little misleading because we cannot effectively translate exactly word for word from the Biblical languages into English without the end result being unreadable. The NRSV is quite good as well. Unlocking the Truth – 2 Thessalonians (Episode 6), Unlocking the Truth – 2 Thessalonians (Episode 5), Unlocking the Truth – 2 Thessalonians (Episode 4), Unlocking the Truth – 2 Thessalonians (Episode 3). Formal Equivalent. In my ideal world, I’d relegate italics to the NASB and let that be our Bible that includes special code for people who know Greek and Hebrew. (2002) Wheaton, IL: Crossway. The NASB had a single-column reader’s Bible I saw once, but it appears no longer to be available. Once again, not so spiritual, just common sense. When Precept Ministries offered the New Inductive Study Bible in the NAS and ESV those were the questions a lot of our friends were asking. also, the esv from oxford university press, copyright 2009, also includes the anagiskomena books (the too be read books) wrongly called by protestants as being "apocrypha". God Bless…. 12 And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him—a threefold cord is not quickly broken. Without it, Jesus is saying, “…you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” This is less obvious in a translation that doesn’t italicize, because unless you already knew that the “He” is an addition, you’d have no obvious way to know this just from the text itself. I think we’re stuck with a multi-translation situation for the foreseeable future. It is, however, somewhat less literal than the NASB, … Salvation through Jesus Christ 1 Cor. I know this a dated blog, but I thought I would leave a comment anyway. What made the New American Standard so popular? I have one, but I so agree with your comment about the ESV and the NASB lack of desire to come into the 21 Century. When the ESV hit my hands, it was like a culinary … Who else is going to translate the Bible? As such, its emphasis is on “word-for-word” correspondence, at the same time taking into account differences of grammar, syntax, and idiom between current literary English and the original languages. We have compiled some information to give you the “skinny” on the new translation and why you might consider using it personally and in your student ministries. The goal of a Bible translation is obviously to help the reader understand the text. 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